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These are consistently fascinating. Thank you for sharing them!
Thanks, glad you’re enjoying them!
Yes thanks so much for your openness and sharing your astuteness with us. There are not many people with your capacities writing about their inner experience. Normally these types of discussion are had only with my wife and two of our kids. Its nice to an experiential focus in the understanding instead of the usual highly conceptual way people write.
You mention “This is a fundamental difference between Sutric and non-Sutric approaches to meditation. Experientially in Vajrayana, you train presence of awareness with whatever arises…so there can be no distraction – it’s not a concept in the referential framework”
I believe you are describing what happens at TMI stage 8, after effortlessness has been attained. The only difference being perhaps the meditator’s skill at being able to consciously emphasize the samadhi and satti components of the meditation experience. Though you seem to have developed that same capacity with your path.
Ah, that’s interesting. I’m not sure if it was clear that I was intending to differentiate between paths and results. I’ve altered the text to make that stand out. It now reads:
“This is a fundamental difference between Sutric and non-Sutric approaches to meditation. Experientially in Vajrayana, you train presence of awareness with whatever arises…so there can be no distraction – it’s not a concept in the referential framework of the path or the result.”
Then later I’ve made it more clear that distraction is considered an obstacle, which one overcomes, on the path in the TMI system.
I think this is a significant difference between the paths, experientially. When I’ve spoken with practitioners approaching Vajrayana meditation from an already well-established concentrative experience, the idea of not holding a concept of distraction has been difficult to convey. I find it funny that, in reverse direction, I had difficulty cultivating the development of a meditative referential framework that includes distraction. I needed to have the experience first in order to fully ‘get’ it.
You commented elsewhere that it’s like my experience foreshadowed parts of the book I hadn’t yet read, and that was true in several stages. At the same time, I think the method sometimes gave rise to the experience that the system describes and works with. I have long suspected that generally the worldview and language of a path conditions the experience that the method addresses, in a kind of positive feedback loop between path and practice, and that there are advantages and disadvantages to the specifics of how different systems do this.
My family all the time say that I am killing my time here
at net, but I know I am getting familiarity all the
time by reading such nice articles or reviews.
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