Comments on “Living contradictions”

Shi-ne is not always silent

quantumpreceptor 2019-04-15

Great post but shine is not always silent, it’s quiet but not without noise.
I can’t wait for the follow up.

Living with contradictions

alexpetralia 2019-04-17

I think “living with contradictions” is actually a major point of Eastern philosophy in general.

I wrote about this somewhat here: http://bit.ly/2GaKopJ

However, I have zero formal training in Eastern philosophy/Buddhism and could be completely wrong. I’d be curious to hear if my perspective is substantially off.

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Rin’dzin Pamo 2019-04-20

@alexpetralia

I think “living with contradictions” is actually a major point of Eastern philosophy in general.

Eastern philosophies are quite varied, and I’m not an expert. There’s an anti-rational trend in Zen that you mention in your post. Some other Buddhist views rely heavily on logical argument.

I wrote about this somewhat here: http://bit.ly/2GaKopJ

I enjoyed reading that!

However, I have _zero_ formal training in Eastern philosophy/Buddhism and could be completely wrong. I’d be curious to hear if my perspective is substantially off.

In the post you link, you make the point that reason is limited, perfect knowledge is impossible. This seems spot on to me.

Faced with irreconcilable contradictions, different responses are possible. One is to step outside the framework that produces the contradiction and find a different way of understanding how things work, in which the contradiction is reconciled and ‘makes sense’. Another is to transcendentalize the contradiction into a realm where, because everything is nondual, or One, there cannot be irreconcilable contradictions by fiat, so the contradiction is declared to be paradoxical, or not understandable by ordinary human beings.

Historically, nearly all Buddhist paths could be read as responses to contradictions inherent in previous paths. They attempt to present solutions to contradictions that were unsolvable from inside the forerunning philosophy/worldview.

In Buddhism sitting and living with contradictions is core to the Zen path. That’s not so for all Buddhist paths. I’ve heard Dzogchen teachers emphasize resting in uncertainty, which isn’t quite the same thing, but is interestingly similar.

Thanks for the detailed response

alexpetralia 2019-04-20

Thanks for the detailed response. Good to hear my understanding is not entirely off-base. How we humans deal with contradiction seems to determine a lot of our day-to-day behavior as well as long-term outlook on life.

“They attempt to present solutions to contradictions that were unsolvable from inside the forerunning philosophy/worldview.”

In fact, I think this could be said of all worldviews - scientific, Buddhist or otherwise!

Thank you for your work!

jeyoor 2020-07-12

Thank you for your work! I’ve enjoyed your blog posts and found them valuable. I just downloaded a copy of your new video with Jared Janes on The Stoa and look forward to experiencing it.

I think the “arhat” link on this page was broken when Matthew O’Connell renamed his SoundCloud account from “post-traditional-buddhism” to “imperfect-buddha-podcast.”

I’ve posted what I believe to be the new link below.

https://soundcloud.com/imperfect-buddha-podcast/73-imperfect-buddha-podcast-super-groovy-daniel-ingram-interview

Hope this helps!

Fixed

Rin’dzin Pamo 2020-07-13

Thanks very much, I fixed the link.